In today’s episode, Annie talks with college professor Wyatt (who has changed their name and pronouns since the podcast was recorded) and their partner, Mary, a Grammy-nominated recording artist, about Wyatt’s journey to live alcohol free. Wyatt talks about how it wasn’t ultimatums or shaming or pressure from Mary or anyone else that led to their decision to stop drinking; rather, it was Mary giving Wyatt the space to own their relationship with alcohol and make the choice for themself. Look for Wyatt on Jeopardy in February 2020.

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Episode Links:

“Same Love” by Macklemore and Ryan Lewis featuring Mary Lambert

The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk M.D.

Easy Way to Stop Smoking by Allen Carr  

Mary Lambert’s Website 

The Manic Episodes Podcast 

Download EP:247 Transcript

Mary Lambert and Wyatt

Mary Lambert and Wyatt reached out to Annie because she unknowingly played a pivotal role in Wyatt’s transformation.


  • Why destigmatizing things can open doors
  • The role This Naked Mind played in Wyatt’s journey
  • Why not being pressured to change allows change to happen
  • The Alcohol Experiment
  • Avoiding ultimatums
  • Looking forward

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This Naked Mind started the journey for Wyatt and Mary Lambert. Begin reading the first 40 pages for free today.

You can always join The Alcohol Experiment like Wyatt did too.

Hear It All from Wyatt and Mary Lambert

Make sure to tune in to the complete podcast to hear all the details on how Mary Lambert was able to support Wyatt in changing their relationship with alcohol.

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