Ready for something special? On March 20, Annie was the podcast guest of Pleasance Silicki – founder of LOLA Community. Pleasance wears many hats – she’s a mother, an author, yoga instructor, and a health coach – to name just a few. Because that interview was so next-level awesome, it’s a no-brainer that we wanted to share it here too. Pleasance takes us through her decision to quit drinking after reading This Naked Mind and engages Annie with questions and discussion surrounding the spectrum of drinking – and quitting.

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The Alcohol Experiment
This Naked Mind
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It’s Personal

Pleasance was understandably nervous because this is such a personal topic but it was time to have a conversation. We found ourselves rescheduling so much that Pleasance had much more of sobriety to talk about.

Time To Quit Over Drinking

Now I have more experiences to ask your wisdom about and also, I have been talking about my decision to stop drinking for the past few months but never specifically a whole podcast episode dedicated to it. So people have been coming up to me whispering and asking, emailing quietly, “I’m thinking of … I think I want to stop drinking, I’m scared”. Then I’ll get, don’t tell me to stop, just responses and all I’m doing all is sharing what my experience has been. I’ve been writing about how it has impacted my marriage and my relationship and that’s been really interesting to see how people write to me about what I’ve shared and the fear associated with it.

Scared To Quit Over Drinking

When I quit in July, I ordered your book the day I got home. It was July 1st and I had seen your book and hid from it. Then, in August … in July, when I was home and I was reading it – This Naked Mind, Control Alcohol, Find Freedom Discover Happiness and Change Your Life. I didn’t want to read it in public because I was afraid that people would think that I was an alcoholic.

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Common Fear

This is where I want to start about this fear of other people thinking you’re something because there’s this whole gray zone with alcohol. I just want to dive right in, why did you write this book? Tell me about your experience and what’s going on when I’m afraid to show people the book.

Annie Answers

I think it’s really unfortunate, like what we’ve done in our society is somewhere along the way, we got the idea that there was just like this segment of the population that’s somehow couldn’t control alcohol. And everybody else was fine or normal or whatever and if you started to drink at levels that you even just weren’t happy about, let’s not even talk about levels that are really destructive but if you’re just starting to drink at levels where you’re like, “Okay, I’m just not happy with what I’m doing anymore,” all of a sudden, people are like, “Oh, well, wait, what does that mean?”

What Does Over Drinking Even Mean?

“Does that mean you have a problem? Does that mean you’re an alcoholic,” because that’s the only framework we’ve given for this conversation. That is really unfortunate because the truth of the matter is that actually, like only 10% of excessive drinkers according to the CDC fall into that classification of clinically dependent on alcohol.So 90% of people who are drinking excessively don’t. We’re not having this fair conversation like we would about, “Oh, are we eating too much sugar or are we not getting enough exercise?”

Healthy Conversations

All of these really healthy conversations about just being better, living better lives, we’re not having it about alcohol because we’ve developed this idea that somehow there’s something wrong with you. I mean, just even the term, I’m an alcoholic, right? We don’t have cigarettaholics, we don’t have heroinism. We simply have an addictive substance that the human brain, because it’s made up of neurons and flesh and blood and it can become addicted too and that’s just proven over and over. There’s no controversy about the fact that alcohol is addictive but we just sort of look at it separately than any other addiction or addictive substance.

We Treat Alcohol Differently

We don’t look at it and it’s really too bad and I think that because we don’t have that language to talk about it. When somebody comes wants to quit over drinking, there’s a lot of sort of shame around it, because it’s not a simple question. Like would I just be happy or drink less alcohol? It’s just really high pressure, convoluted like, “Do I have a problem, and am I alcoholic?” That question right away makes sure that we avoid asking it for as long as possible. It almost precipitates or this is like a rock bottom experience because we keep saying, “Oh no, it’s not me, it’s not me, it’s not me,” and I think even further it can be really destructive because then when we actually want to start questioning our drinking.

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