In today’s podcast, Annie introduces Jacqueline from the Netherlands, where drinking is part of the culture, as it is in many parts of the world. But something was different for Jacqueline. When her husband had a heart attack at age 41, she decided she could no longer continue this way. Excluded, lonely, and judged… wasn’t always easy to stay the course. Don’t miss Jacqueline’s story that we can all relate to in one way or another.

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Jacqueline is a published author in the Netherlands who has written this amazing book. In Dutch it’s UnWijn which would be De Wine or Unwined but then with a en so there would be a pun. So then, in the middle of the glass it says really happy alcohol free.

Where It All Began

I have this funny story that on my first birthday which is December ’75 my mother still tells. My grandfather used to give me little sips of his beer and I could just barely walk and I was walking around the table and with my hands on the table. Everybody thought it was so funny in the 70’s that I kept on tripping over, terrible. So, that’s where it started.

My Story

All of my friends and I were going out at 16, 17 and just trying things. I remember when I had my first sip of beer that I just loved that feeling. I loved the feeling. It wasn’t that I immediately was hooked and I want it more, and more, and more but I just so remember that warm fuzzy feeling that I was completely in love with it. And it didn’t get big until I was in college and then we thought it was completely normal to three or four nights a week get together, bring five or six bottles of wine with the three for four of us and then just have them and be hung over the next day at school. And it just went on, and on, and on, and I became a mother in 2011, didn’t drink during pregnancy just quit immediately when I found out. There was no trouble in quitting there but I did know that after breastfeeding I was going to start again, I did know that. And I did after breast feeding for half a year.

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Eye Opener

I thought it was completely normal to three or four days a week – put our daughter to bed, take the crystal glasses out, thought it was oh so chic and luxurious and to have lovely wines and drink with the two of us three bottles. Hung over the next day but just take it as it is because hey you’ve been drinking so you feel bad. That was fine. If friends would come over we would have seven or eight bottles with the four of us. Yet, one of them would be driving. We didn’t think that much of it because everybody was doing it so – what’s the big deal? In the summer of 2016 my husband had a heart attack at age 41. He had a angioplasty.

The cardiologist never asked us about drinking he just said, “This is from 30 years of smoking, and genetics, and lots of other factors”.

Drinking As Usual

Three weeks later we went away for a weekend. Thinking we had to go out and get away from everything and be together. All we did for those three days was of course, sit at a terrace and have wine. Relaxing and unwinding. The third day he was just so sick. We went to a doctor there. Looking at us she said, “What are you doing to yourselves?”

That was my moment. I didn’t see it coming but that was my moment when I thought it’s done, it’s done.

And then, I decided to quit and I didn’t know how long I was going to do it and what I was going to do with it, and if I was eventually going to write a book, it just clicked for me. So, that was the moment. I didn’t have to force myself into the decision it just came on to my path.

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